50+ SB, 12+ Triples & 10 Caught Stealing Or Less In Same Season

Posted by Steve Lombardi on June 10, 2011

A somewhat random query: Players since 1901 with 50+ Stolen Bases, 12+ Triples, and 10 "Caught Stealing" or less in the same season.

Here they are:

Rk	Player	Rbaser	3B	SB	CS	Year	Age	Tm	Lg	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	HR	RBI	BB	IBB	SO	HBP	SH	SF	GDP	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	Pos
1	Willie Wilson	18	15	79	10	1980	24	KCR	AL	161	745	705	133	230	28	3	49	28	3	81	6	5	1	4	.326	.357	.421	.778	*78
2	Max Carey	16	12	51	2	1922	32	PIT	NL	155	732	629	140	207	28	10	70	80	0	26	4	19	0	0	.329	.408	.459	.868	*8/7
3	Max Carey	13	19	51	8	1923	33	PIT	NL	153	699	610	120	188	32	6	63	73	0	28	7	9	0	0	.308	.388	.452	.841	*8
4	Tim Raines	12	13	70	9	1985	25	MON	NL	150	665	575	115	184	30	11	41	81	13	60	3	3	3	9	.320	.405	.475	.880	*7
5	Ty Cobb	10	24	83	0	1911	24	DET	AL	146	654	591	147	248	47	8	127	44	0	0	8	11	0	0	.420	.467	.621	1.088	*8
6	Ray Chapman	7	13	52	0	1917	26	CLE	AL	156	691	563	98	170	28	2	36	61	0	65	0	67	0	0	.302	.370	.409	.779	*6
7	Benny Kauff	7	13	75	0	1914	24	IND	FL	154	667	571	120	211	44	8	95	72	0	55	8	16	0	0	.370	.447	.534	.981	987
8	Honus Wagner	7	14	61	0	1907	33	PIT	NL	142	580	515	98	180	38	6	82	46	0	37	5	14	0	0	.350	.408	.513	.921	*6/3
9	Carl Crawford	6	16	58	9	2006	24	TBD	AL	151	652	600	89	183	20	18	77	37	3	85	4	9	2	8	.305	.348	.482	.830	*7/D8
10	Ty Cobb	6	24	55	0	1917	30	DET	AL	152	669	588	107	225	44	6	102	61	0	34	4	16	0	0	.383	.444	.570	1.014	*89
11	Eddie Collins	6	13	55	0	1913	26	PHA	AL	148	652	534	125	184	23	3	73	85	0	37	7	26	0	0	.345	.441	.453	.894	*4
12	Eddie Collins	6	15	81	0	1910	23	PHA	AL	153	658	581	81	188	16	3	81	49	0	0	6	22	0	0	.324	.382	.418	.800	*4
13	Ty Cobb	6	13	65	0	1910	23	DET	AL	140	590	506	106	194	35	8	91	64	0	0	4	16	0	0	.383	.456	.551	1.008	*89
14	Vince Coleman	5	12	50	8	1994	32	KCR	AL	104	477	438	61	105	14	2	33	29	0	72	1	4	5	2	.240	.285	.340	.626	*7/D
15	Eddie Collins	5	12	53	0	1917	30	CHW	AL	156	689	564	91	163	18	0	67	89	0	16	3	33	0	0	.289	.389	.363	.752	*4
16	Honus Wagner	5	19	53	0	1908	34	PIT	NL	151	641	568	100	201	39	10	109	54	0	22	5	14	0	0	.354	.415	.542	.957	*6
17	Ty Cobb	5	14	53	0	1907	20	DET	AL	150	642	605	97	212	28	5	119	24	0	57	5	8	0	0	.350	.380	.468	.848	*9
18	Honus Wagner	5	14	57	0	1905	31	PIT	NL	147	616	548	114	199	32	6	101	54	0	54	7	7	0	0	.363	.427	.505	.932	*6/7
19	Billy Maloney	5	14	59	0	1905	27	CHC	NL	145	627	558	78	145	17	2	56	43	0	83	11	15	0	0	.260	.325	.351	.676	*98
20	Honus Wagner	5	14	53	0	1904	30	PIT	NL	132	558	490	97	171	44	4	75	59	0	43	4	5	0	0	.349	.423	.520	.944	*6/7384
21	Sam Mertes	4	17	52	0	1905	32	NYG	NL	150	627	551	81	154	27	5	108	56	0	52	5	15	0	0	.279	.351	.417	.769	*7/8
22	Ty Cobb	2	16	51	0	1913	26	DET	AL	122	501	428	70	167	18	4	67	58	0	31	4	11	0	0	.390	.467	.535	1.002	*8/94

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Generated 6/10/2011.

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Now, that's some fast guys.

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20 Responses to “50+ SB, 12+ Triples & 10 Caught Stealing Or Less In Same Season”

Johnny Twisto Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Those 0 CS are because CS wasn't counted in those seasons. It would be better if PI returned a blank box, as on the player pages. The "0" is incorrect and misleading.
Seven Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Reyes is on pace for 55 SB, 11 CS, and 30 triples.

No one has ever done > 50 SB, 25 triples.
topper009 Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Using the 4 seasons from Cobb's 20's that we have CS data for, 1912, 1914-1916, he stole 260/373 for 69.7%. For his day this was acceptable but not amazing.

If he stole 50 bases at that rate he would average 27 CS, much more than the 10 cutoff presented here.
BCC Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Surprising (to me): Rickey didn't hit many triples. Or, really, that many doubles (given that he had nearly 300 HR).

Also, Rickey had 42 CS in his 130 steal year! The next year, 108 SB/19 CS, was a better year, yes?

Rickey had 3 seasons that met the SB/CS criteria, but Rickey never had more than 7 triples in a season.

Rickey had 145 SB at ages 40+.
Fred Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Interesting that only 4 happened after 1923. I'm not a statistician but I'd say that missing CS stat is skewing the results a bit...maybe quite a bit
DavidRF Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
As far as I know, those two Max Carey seasons are real. Anyone know anything different? Those are some amazing SB%'s.
Neil L. Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Steve, at a quick glance, the nicest part of your query is that it produced a mix of pre-dead-ball era players and a few "modern" players.

Sometimes, it is still hard for me to relate to the statistics of old-time players as being comparable to present-day.
Hartvig Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Reading about Willie Wilson in Whitey Herzog's "You're Missing A Great Game". Apparently a season like 1980 wasn't good enough for him. He would rather hit .260 but with 10 home runs because it was cooler.

And I have never heard of Billy Maloney before now.
Steve Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
4 Rickey never busted it out of the box,unless it was to get an infield hit.He should have hit more triples and doubles with his speed and power but I think he rather steal second than hit a double.
Steve Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Willie Wilson needed to 230 hits just to have a decent OBP.
fredsbank Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
@ 10 who cares if your ISO-D is only like .3 if you can 230(!) hits?
Matt Vandermast Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Qickly Googling...

IsoD, for those of you who are unfamiliar with it, is short for "Isolated Discipline" and is calculated by OBP-AVG.

http://rockiesmagicnumber.blogspot.com/2009/01/isod-quantifying-plate-discipline.html
Matt Vandermast Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Qickly typing, too...
Steve Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
12 I undertood the point,my point is fine but how often can you get 230 hits?Not easily repeatable.Willie Wilson was a poor leadoff hitter.
Matt Vandermast Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
A companion list:

For single seasons, From 1901 to 2011, (requiring SB>=50, CS>=1 and CS<=10), sorted by greatest Triples - http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/4n57B

6 of the 43 seasons include 12 or more triples. The average is 293/43= 6.81, with 58% of seasons (including the middle 50%) having 3B totals between 3 and 9.

The averages are 8.44 (76/9) for left-handed hitters, 8.12 (138/17) for switch-hitters, and 4.65 (79/17) for right-handed hitters. The drop-off for righties would surely be smaller if the groups were larger, but there would still be some drop-off.
Matt Vandermast Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
@14 Just to clarify, I hadn't seen "IsoD" before, Googled it, and printed the definition here for anyone who also hadn't seen it. I imagine there must be somebody.
Steve Says:
June 10th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
16 Sorry if I sounded snippy.I hadn't seen it before either but figured out what he meant.
Timmy P Says:
June 11th, 2011 at 12:53 am
Willie Wilson was a fine player but he was a head case for sure, lots of off the field problems. It's funny that for a lead off man he didn't rack up the PA's like Ichiro and Pierre do. I don't think it's fair to knock him for a low OBP becuase his orders were to slap it if it's close to the plate. Wilson, better than Pierre and Vince Coleman, not nearly as good as Ichiro.
Dukeofflatbush Says:
June 13th, 2011 at 12:03 am
@ 10 Steve,

Quick question without cheating; a qualifier for the batting title who had a .400 OBP with the fewest walks?

@ 9 Steve, we had a discussion a month back about Rickey's lack of X-tra base hits.
To put it into perspective, him and Biggio have nearly identical hits and HR totals, yet Biggio has 150 more doubles and quite a few more triples, with only a 1/3 of Henderson's speed.
Or this is fun to know; Jim Rice who played his entire career in an unfriendly triples park with virtually no speed, had 20 more triples than Rickey.
I think showboating, but especially when stalking the record, he pulled up short instead of stretching his hits to give himself more SB opportunities.
We also speculated, if this was not advantageous, since having Rickey on first, changes, or changed the pitcher's delivery, approach and his pitch selection.
I'm not sure if that is true, but if it were done to pad stats, i don't think it belongs in sports, but if it were done to rattle the pitcher, then kudos to Henderson.
Supposedly Billy Martin really encouraged Rickey to steal back in the early 80's, and the distraction trick, sounds right up Billy Martin's arsenal of tricks
mosc Says:
June 13th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Ricky used to destroy pitchers who couldn't pitch well out of the stretch. Also, he played games with left handed pitchers who were not used to fighting off the steal. His disruption when at first base was amazing and out-lasted his speed towards the end of his career. I wish there were better stats to highlight this. Whoever hit when ricky was on first was in for a treat. I saw him send more than one pitcher to the showers after leading off an inning with a hit or walk (he got so many friggin' walks. He was SO hard to strike out for fastball pitchers) and then torturing him on first base. Some righty pitchers just let him have second on principle not even going to the stretch.

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