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More on Marcus Thames (yes, he’s good)

Posted by Andy on August 19, 2009

Here is a list of all 128 currently acive players with at least 100 career HR. I got that list from the PI then I reordered them based on fewest plate appearances per HR (meaning that guys who hit HR more often are at the top of the list.)

Check it out:

(sorry again about the awful formatting)

              PA/HR    AB/HR    career HR
Ryan Howard    14.23    12.13    51
Marcus Thames    16.21    14.75    128
Alex Rodriguez    16.46    14.23    2
Albert Pujols    16.51    13.98    12
Jim Thome    16.71    13.59    3
Adam Dunn    16.97    13.82    18
Manny Ramirez    17.19    14.51    4
Russell Branyan    17.36    14.94    71
Ken Griffey    17.81    15.44    1
Prince Fielder    18.07    15.37    77
Carlos Delgado    18.30    15.40    6
Richie Sexson    18.31    16.10    21
Carlos Pena    18.73    15.82    60
Mark Teixeira    19.12    16.58    42
Vlad Guerrero    19.13    17.09    9
Troy Glaus    19.21    16.35    22
David Ortiz    19.23    16.42    20
Jason Giambi    19.91    16.22    8
Andruw Jones    20.10    17.67    10
Alfonso Soriano    20.16    18.61    25
Jim Edmonds    20.18    17.31    11
Lance Berkman    20.21    16.72    19
Tony Clark    20.40    18.06    38
Travis Hafner    20.58    17.34    73
Paul Konerko    21.12    18.68    17
Miguel Cabrera    21.31    18.82    57
Adrian Gonzalez    21.40    18.86    90
Gary Sheffield    21.44    18.05    5
Jason Bay    21.46    18.23    65
Chipper Jones    21.53    18.18    7
Pat Burrell    21.87    18.44    33
Justin Morneau    21.89    19.39    70
Aramis Ramirez    21.96    19.85    34
Jermaine Dye    21.99    19.80    15
Carlos Lee    22.31    20.26    24
Tony Batista    22.44    20.67    48
Matt Stairs    22.51    19.45    35
Dan Uggla    22.64    19.63    109
Eric Chavez    23.07    20.40    44
Morgan Ensberg    23.45    20.04    113
Preston Wilson    23.47    21.18    63
Chase Utley    23.56    20.46    75
Todd Helton    23.63    19.84    16
Geoff Jenkins    23.77    21.27    47
Nick Swisher    23.79    19.88    97
Derrek Lee    23.80    20.76    28
Moises Alou    23.83    21.20    14
Joe Crede    23.94    21.99    81
Adam LaRoche    23.96    21.32    94
Matt Holliday    24.06    21.44    78
Magglio Ordonez    25.01    22.56    31
Jay Gibbons    25.08    23.03    99
Carlos Beltran    25.09    21.99    32
Hank Blalock    25.09    22.80    76
J.D. Drew    25.32    21.16    53
Torii Hunter    25.36    23.19    43
Craig Monroe    25.43    23.40    104
Brad Hawpe    25.56    22.06    124
David Wright    25.68    22.29    83
Scott Rolen    25.75    22.27    29
Cliff Floyd    26.02    22.83    41
Jorge Posada    26.28    22.33    40
Aubrey Huff    26.50    24.03    56
N Garciaparra    26.64    24.32    45
Jose Cruz    26.71    23.16    54
Vernon Wells    27.13    24.92    62
Raul Ibanez    27.28    24.65    50
Brian Giles    27.30    22.74    26
Adrian Beltre    27.35    25.00    39
Mike Sweeney    27.53    24.40    55
Grady Sizemore    27.66    23.99    92
Miguel Tejada    27.91    25.47    30
Ty Wigginton    27.93    25.39    102
Hideki Matsui    27.95    24.52    88
Mike Cameron    28.29    24.46    36
Mike Lowell    28.56    25.54    49
Bill Hall    28.90    26.24    126
Rondell White    29.56    27.06    58
Casey Blake    29.57    26.21    80
Luis Gonzalez    29.75    25.87    13
Pedro Feliz    29.84    27.87    87
Jose Guillen    29.92    27.49    59
Fernando Tatis    30.04    26.39    115
Jacque Jones    30.24    27.84    69
Dmitri Young    30.71    27.85    67
Brad Wilkerson    30.76    26.12    98
Trot Nixon    30.83    26.47    84
Jason Varitek    31.01    27.02    66
Eric Hinske    31.23    27.48    108
Garret Anderson    31.37    29.55    27
Kevin Millar    31.46    27.41    68
Ivan Rodriguez    31.71    29.61    23
Austin Kearns    31.79    27.42    123
David Dellucci    32.34    28.45    127
Eric Byrnes    32.49    29.48    120
J Encarnacion    32.66    30.03    74
Bobby Abreu    32.67    27.38    37
Milton Bradley    33.07    28.47    107
Victor Martinez    33.18    29.21    121
Ramon Hernandez    33.49    29.92    79
Rich Aurilia    33.68    30.69    64
Aaron Boone    34.25    30.62    95
Aaron Rowand    34.48    31.15    105
Brandon Inge    34.51    30.70    100
Juan Uribe    34.55    31.73    103
Bengie Molina    34.59    32.34    86
Melvin Mora    34.77    30.51    72
S Hillenbrand    35.33    33.06    117
Corey Patterson    35.99    33.47    125
Jay Payton    37.42    34.61    101
A.J. Pierzynski    41.40    38.55    112
Gary Matthews    41.89    37.28    118
Alex Gonzalez    42.43    39.02    114
Sean Casey    43.42    38.97    89
Derek Jeter    43.53    38.45    46
Michael Young    43.70    40.13    85
Ray Durham    43.87    38.58    61
Carlos Guillen    44.19    39.08    116
Jose Vidro    44.59    39.95    93
Jimmy Rollins    45.03    41.05    82
Johnny Damon    45.28    40.38    52
Ron Belliard    50.42    45.08    119
Darin Erstad    53.12    48.36    96
Shannon Stewart    53.96    48.47    106
Mark Kotsay    55.22    50.20    111
Randy Winn    61.41    55.31    122
Orlando Cabrera    64.07    58.54    110
Edgar Renteria    64.84    58.19    91

The last column is where each guy ranks among the 128 active players with 100 homers.

How crazy is it that the 128th and last guy, Thames, is second overall in fewest PA per HR?

6 Responses to “More on Marcus Thames (yes, he’s good)”

  1. leatherman Says:

    Mark Reynolds, currently with 83 HRs, will be pretty high on this list when he hits #100. He has averaged one HR per 16.18 ABs, and one HR per 18.43 PAs.

    And he's only getting better, too. His yearly rates:
    2007 - one HR per 21.53 ABs, one HR per 24.35 PAs
    2008 - one HR per 19.25 ABs, one HR per 21.89 PAs
    2009 - one HR per 11.53 ABs, one HR per 13.24 PAs

    If he continues his 2009 rate, he will have 100 HRs (17 more) in his next 196 ABs and 225 PAs. That would move his career rates to one HR per 15.39 ABs, and one HR per 17.55 PAs.

  2. tomepp Says:

    As Andy was quick to point out (in a discussion of Mark McGwire), Dave Kingman was good at mashing the ball, too (1 HR per 15.11 AB over his career); that doesn't make you a great player. Thames' OBP (and his numbers overall) look a lot more like Kingman's than Ryan Howard's.

  3. Fireworks Says:

    I was talking about this guy a week and a half ago. Thames, when healthy, is the kind of masher you want in your lineup if your team "needs" some more pop. 30+ homers every 162 is a good start, you have to wonder if he would have/will develop a better discipline if he could stay off the DL, so he could walk a lot more, score more runs, and drag his OPS(+) up to a level commensurate with the other guys on that list.

    But yeah, he's not in the class of a guy like Howard. I wanna say he's a rich man's Rob Deer, but he doesn't walk nearly enough. I think I'd rather have Deer.

  4. JohnnyTwisto Says:

    Thames has essentially been a platoon player. Let's not get carried away with the comparisons.

  5. Andy Says:

    Cases like this one with Thames are where I tend to think that the stats don't tell the whole story. Anybody paying attention sees that Thames has excellent power production. There's got to be a reason why he doesn't play every day and it's not just injuries. Say what you want about Rob Deer or Dave Kingman, but these guys did what they did over full seasons and were not guys who occasionally came off the bench and popped one. (I think that's what Johnny was trying to say above.)

    Of course, I probably would have said the same thing about Ken Phelps--i.e. that there was a good reason why he wasn't playing, but it actually appears that it was just stupidity by his teams.

  6. Fireworks Says:

    I compared Thames to Deer--guys who like Phelps, like Chris Davis, like Branyan (before this season), tantalize with the possibility of being a bonafide slugger but for whatever reason (lack of playing time, injury, lack of growth as a player, poor platoon split) don't quite deliver. The kinds of guys, who, if they manage to get 650 PA for the first or second time in their career, whatever, you find yourself completely unsurprised that they get some grey ink.