10 Responses to “All of a team’s hits (or both teams’ hits) are XHB”

1. dave Says:
   November 17th, 2009 at 10:03 am

   Let's say you took that Tampa game listed in the final chart. Tampa and the opponents both got only singles in that game but there are also 10 other games where Tampa got just singles.
   It would be great if we could look at just one team and have some chart that says "both teams" and then "just this team"

   Ya know...there should be a mark in single team searches that says "in this game, the opponent also had what you're looking for. Both teams did it"

2. DavidRF Says:
   November 17th, 2009 at 11:01 am

   You're 901 games includes 140-odd no-hitters. That will skew the winning percentage a bit.

   "It's interesting that getting either all singles or all extra-base hits is bad. It's getting a combination of both that is needed. Makes them sound like food groups."

   My guess is that its easier to get all of one kind if the overall number is smaller.

3. DavidRF Says:
   November 17th, 2009 at 11:01 am

   Just for fun, doing these searches led to to find these:

   http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/RmB7T

   Four perfect games broken up by errors (ouch)

4. dave Says:
   November 17th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

   People that subscribe to PI should get their own section here for posting what they find.
   I find stuff then want to post it up but I can't so I have to "highjack" another person's finds to put what I came up with (kinda like now)

   That ain't right.

5. DoubleDiamond Says:
   November 17th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

   Regarding the perfect games broken up by errors - I was listening to the Phillies game on the radio the night that Randy Johnson pitched his perfect game. The Phillies announcers initially reported it as a no-hitter and then read his line, which included no walks. My immediate reaction was, "Who made an error?" A moment later, the word came across that it was indeed a perfect game.

6. Andy Says:
   November 18th, 2009 at 9:35 am

   Comment #5 reminds me that when Kevin Millwood threw his no-hitter I was moving from one city to another and was in the moving van, driving. I can't remember what game I was listening to--it might have been that game or it might have been another game and they were giving regular updates. I was moving across the country but I can't remember what part of the city I was in right around the time that game was ending, 4pm eastern-ish.

7. statboy Says:
   November 18th, 2009 at 11:38 am

   "It's interesting that getting either all singles or all extra-base hits is bad. It's getting a combination of both that is needed. Makes them sound like food groups."

   It's bad because if you had all XBH or all singles, you probably didn't have that many hits. If you flip coins and they all come up "tails", there's a good chance that you didn't flip too many coins.

8. statboy Says:
   November 18th, 2009 at 11:42 am

   "This is another study that was done a while ago using the old version of the PI. It's much easier to do with the new version."

   I don't get why this was difficult with the old version. All you had to do was set "1B = 0" and "XBH >= 1".

9. Andy Says:
   November 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

   User jkseq1 made the following observations in a comment that got deleted:

   "You make a misleading (actually, wrong) statement when you say "It's interesting that getting either all singles or all extra-base hits is bad. It's getting a combination of both that is needed." All things being equal, getting all extra-base hits is certainly not "bad." The average MLB team gets 8.95 hits per game, and if those 9 hits were all for extra bases, it would most certainly be good, not bad. (The one team on your list, the '98 Braves, who hit the 9-hit mark with all XBH's scored 8 runs). The problem is, in the 31 games you list*, the average H is only 2.6. The problem has nothing to do with the one-sidedness, but rather, the paucity of hits. There is nothing in your analysis that shows that a mix of singles and extra bases is qualitatively better for an offense, only that such games are far more frequent than games which are not mixed."

   * I have to agree with #2 above, if you are finding games where "a team has had all of its hits go for extra bases" then you need to take out no-hitters, or else restate your proposition slightly.

   For the record, XBH's are currently about 34.1% of all hits, so if you did a scatter graph that's about where the center of gravity would lie, with a whole lot of 0's at one tail and a few 100's at the other.

10. Andy Says:
    November 18th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    statboy, you are correct on all accounts. These studies were all do-able with the old version of the PI except for finding games in which both teams achieved the feat. I stand corrected.

    And for the criticism of my comment about getting all XBH or all singles being bad, I was making an oversimplified statement. Thank you both, statboy and jkseq1, for expanding on this. I meant only that in historical games, teams that got all of one type or all the other didn't win very much, and I suppose that's so obvious from the results and the statistics that it was a dumb thing for me to say.