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Joe Nuxhall and Barry Bonds

Posted by Andy on November 16, 2007

I just heard that Joe Nuxhall passed away. Lots has been written about his interesting career as both a player and broadcaster, so I won't try to add to that. But here are all the pitchers since 1901 under the age of 18:

  Cnt                       Year Age Tm  Lg  G  GS CG SHO GF  W  L  W-L% SV   IP   H   R   ER  BB  SO   ERA  ERA+ HR  BF   AB  2B 3B IBB HBP  SH  SF GDP  SB CS Pk BK WP   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  OPS+  Pit  Str
+----+-----------------+---+----+---+---+--+---+--+--+---+--+--+--+-----+--+-----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+--+----+----+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+
    1 Joe Nuxhall           1944  15 CIN NL   1  0  0   0  0  0  0        0   0.2   2   5   5   5   0  67.50    5  0    9                  0                        0  1                            0           
    2 Jim Derrington        1956  16 CHW AL   1  1  0   0  0  0  1  .000  0   6     9   6   5   6   3   7.50   55  2   31              0   0                        1  0                            0           
    3 Rogers McKee          1943  16 PHI NL   4  1  1   0  2  1  0 1.000  0  13.1  12   9   9   5   1   6.08   55  0   59                  0                        0  2                            0           
    4 Carl Scheib           1943  16 PHA AL   6  0  0   0  5  0  1  .000  0  18.2  24  14   9   3   3   4.34   78  4   85                  1                        0  0                            0           
    5 Jay Dahl              1963  17 HOU NL   1  1  0   0  0  0  1  .000  0   2.2   7   7   5   0   0  16.88   19  0   16   16  1  0   0   0   0   0   0   0  0  0  0  1  .438  .438  .500  .938  188           
    6 Jim Derrington        1957  17 CHW AL  20  5  0   0  4  0  1  .000  0  37    29  21  20  29  14   4.86   77  4  166  134  7  0   0   1   1   1   3   2  2  0  0  1  .216  .358  .358  .716  102           
    7 Larry Dierker         1964  17 HOU NL   3  1  0   0  2  0  1  .000  0   9     7   4   2   3   5   2.00  171  1   36   32  0  0   0   0   0   1   1   0  0  0  0  2  .219  .278  .313  .591   77           
    8 Bob Feller            1936  17 CLE AL  14  8  5   0  5  5  3  .625  1  62    52  29  23  47  76   3.34  154  1  279                  4                        3  8                            0           
    9 Chris Haughey         1943  17 BRO NL   1  0  0   0  1  0  1  .000  0   7     5   6   3  10   0   3.86   87  0   33                  0                        0  0                            0           
   10 Art Houtteman         1945  17 DET AL  13  0  0   0  9  0  2  .000  0  25.1  27  17  15  11   9   5.33   66  1  116                  1                        0  0                            0           
   11 Joey Jay              1953  17 MLN NL   3  1  1   1  1  1  0 1.000  0  10     6   0   0   5   4   0.00    0  0   37                  0                        0  1                            0           
   12 Harry Macpherson      1944  17 BSN NL   1  0  0   0  1  0  0        0   1     0   0   0   1   1   0.00    0  0    4                  0                        0  0                            0           
   13 Mike McCormick        1956  17 NYG NL   3  2  0   0  1  0  1  .000  0   6.2   7   7   7  10   4   9.45   40  1   36              0   0                        1  0                            0           
   14 Stover McIlwain       1957  17 CHW AL   1  0  0   0  1  0  0        0   1     2   0   0   1   0   0.00    0  0    5    4  0  0   0   0   0   0   0   0  1  0  0  0  .500  .600  .500 1.100  214           
   15 Rogers McKee          1944  17 PHI NL   1  0  0   0  1  0  0        0   2     2   1   1   1   0   4.50   80  1    9                  0                        0  0                            0           
   16 Bob Miller            1953  17 DET AL  13  1  0   0  8  1  2  .333  0  36.1  43  25  24  21   9   5.94   69  2  171                  1                        0  3                            0           
   17 Ron Moeller           1956  17 BAL AL   4  1  0   0  3  0  1  .000  0   8.2  10   5   4   3   2   4.15   94  0   39              0   0                        0  1                            0           
   18 Charlie Osgood        1944  17 BRO NL   1  0  0   0  0  0  0        0   3     2   1   1   3   0   3.00  118  0   13                  1                        0  0                            0           
   19 Claude Osteen         1957  17 CIN NL   3  0  0   0  1  0  0        0   4     4   1   1   3   3   2.25  181  0   19   16  1  0   0   0   0   0   0   0  0  0  0  2  .250  .368  .313  .681   88           
   20 Carl Scheib           1944  17 PHA AL  15  0  0   0  9  0  0        0  36.1  36  18  17  11  13   4.21   82  1  156                  4                        2  1                            0           
   21 Dave Skaugstad        1957  17 CIN NL   2  0  0   0  1  0  0        0   5.2   4   1   1   6   4   1.59  256  0   27   21  1  0   0   0   0   0   0   0  0  0  0  1  .190  .370  .238  .608   70           
   22 Chuck Stobbs          1947  17 BOS AL   4  1  0   0  0  0  1  .000  0   9    10   6   6  10   5   6.00   65  0   45                  0                        0  1                            0           
   23 Lefty Weinert         1919  17 PHI NL   1  0  0   0  1  0  0        0   4    11   9   8   2   0  18.00   18  0   25                  0                        0  0                            0           
   24 George Werley         1956  17 BAL AL   1  0  0   0  1  0  0        0   1     1   1   1   2   0   9.00   43  0    6              0   0                        0  0                            0           

Notice, too, that after appearing at age 15, he didn't come back to the big leagues until age 23. How many other players can you name with 7+ year layoffs from big league activity? The other one who comes to mind right away is Minnie Minoso.

And I just wanted to add some thoughts about Barry Bonds' indictment. Based on the very long due process that has occurred, it seems like to me that he will be convicted although will probably serve only a token jail sentence. However, this penalty is a lot more severe than has been faced by any player who tested positive for a banned substance (which Bonds has not.) This indictment, and the likely conviction to follow, will probably do more to elicit compliance from baseball players, at least when it comes to answering questions about PEDs in MLB. The timing of the whole thing is odd to me: had Bonds' indictment on obstruction of justice come before George Mitchell's investigation was completed, the former senator may have obtained a lot more useful information from players. Still, it will be interesting to see what he did find once the report is released in the coming weeks.

16 Responses to “Joe Nuxhall and Barry Bonds”

  1. Andy Says:

    By the way, this guy Lester Munson is amazing:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?id=3112878

    He's a lawyer who has given opinions on some of the high-profile sports cases from the last few years. Within a few weeks of Michael Vick being investigated on the dog-fighting charges (well before the real legal troubles) I heard an interview with Munson where he predicted everything that has since happened to Vick, exactly correctly. So I put a lot of stock in what he predicts for Bonds, which (among other things) is 1-2 years in jail.

  2. Samurai Sam Says:

    Satchel Paige, very much like Minoso, had a 12-year layoff followed by a brief comeback to the bigs.

  3. Stat of the Day » Another Joe Nuxhall Entry Says:

    [...] just because Andy wrote a Joe Nuxhall blurb, that doesn’t mean I can’t, [...]

  4. Andy Says:

    I should mention that apparently the indictment does indicate that Bonds had a positive test for steroids. It isn't clear to me whether this was an MLB test. I am guessing that it was a test from the earlier period where MLB was not under obligation to release the names.

  5. jackfish Says:

    Jim Bauman played only two limited seasons in the majors, 1949 & 1961 and not a single game during the 1950s.

    Jack

  6. jackfish Says:

    Make that Jim Baumer (sorry).

    Jack

  7. OscarAzocar Says:

    Regarding layoffs heres everything you'd want to know:
    http://mikesrants.baseballtoaster.com/archives/17145.html

    From that article:
    Finally, here are the players who missed fifteen or more straight seasons before coming back to the majors:
    Name Yr Age Gap
    Paul Schreiber 1945 42 21
    Charley O'Leary 1934 51 20
    Gabby Street 1931 48 18
    Clay Touchstone 1945 42 15

  8. kingturtle Says:

    Ferrell Anderson had a six year hiatus between seasons.

  9. kingturtle Says:

    For some reason your apostrophe doesn't work. This should work if you're copying and pasting:

    Charley O'Leary

  10. kingturtle Says:

    By the way OscarAzocar, great work here!

  11. Andy Says:

    Yeah...I appreciate all the commenters here, especially those of you who check in fairly often, but I give a special shout-out to Oscar, who has made quite a few high value-added comments over the last several months.

  12. David in Toledo Says:

    With regard to these teenagers, I wish I knew what the rule was at various times about the age at which they could be signed, according to MLB rules.

    For example, Richie Ashburn was first signed by the Cleveland Indians, but that contract was voided because, I believe, he hadn't yet graduated from high school. Does that mean that all these other 16- AND 17-year-olds from 1945 and before HAD graduated from high school? (And this list is limited to the signees who played in the majors by these ages.)

    Ashburn turned 18 on March 19, 1945. No doubt the rule about when a player could be "legally" signed has changed, probably several times, since Cleveland lost its rights to Ashburn.

  13. OscarAzocar Says:

    Thank you kingturtle and Andy

  14. sfduke76 Says:

    Dierker counts as 17 years old? I remember being at the game when he made his debut on his 18th birthday...

  15. Andy Says:

    I was waiting for someone to ask about the age thing. Ages are calculated on June 30th of the year in question. On June 30 1964, Dierker was indeed 17 years old, but you are absolutely correct that by the time he debuted on September 22 1964, he had just turned 18 that day.

  16. Andy Says:

    I got another guy with a long layoff from MLB: Warren Cromartie. He spent 1984 to 1990 in Japan, giving him an 8-year layoff.