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Labor Day part 2

Posted by Andy on September 4, 2007

A couple more thoughts on hard-working pitchers.

Most times, 2003 to present, a save was earned while pitching more than 1 inning:

                   Games Link to Individual Games
+-----------------+-----+-------------------------+
 Mariano Rivera       38 Ind. Games
 Jason Isringhause    26 Ind. Games
 John Smoltz          25 Ind. Games
 Danys Baez           24 Ind. Games
 Eric Gagne           22 Ind. Games
 Francisco Cordero    22 Ind. Games
 J.J. Putz            21 Ind. Games
 Dave Weathers        20 Ind. Games
 B.J. Ryan            20 Ind. Games
 Francisco Rodrigu    19 Ind. Games
 Keith Foulke         19 Ind. Games
 Billy Wagner         17 Ind. Games
 Armando Benitez      14 Ind. Games
 Huston Street        13 Ind. Games
 Brad Lidge           12 Ind. Games
 Jose Valverde        11 Ind. Games
 Scot Shields         11 Ind. Games
 Jonathan Papelbon    11 Ind. Games
 Damaso Marte         11 Ind. Games
 Miguel Batista       11 Ind. Games
 Chris Ray            10 Ind. Games

Taken alone, this list is a bit misleading, as some teams have more save opportunities than others. But, even correcting for team victories and save opportunities, Rivera is way out in the lead. (Note, the above list doesn't actually correct for those things.) All pitchers are not created equally, but Rivera being so high on the list is a testament, I think, to the comparative weakness of the Yankees bullpen in recent seasons with that from their most recent hayday of 1996-2000

Also for 2003-present, here are the leaders for blown saves of more than 1 inning:

                   Games Link to Individual Games
+-----------------+-----+-------------------------+
 Danys Baez           14 Ind. Games
 Tom Gordon           12 Ind. Games
 Francisco Cordero    12 Ind. Games
 Braden Looper         9 Ind. Games
 Dave Weathers         8 Ind. Games
 Mike Timlin           8 Ind. Games
 Scot Shields          8 Ind. Games
 Lance Carter          8 Ind. Games
 Huston Street         7 Ind. Games
 Francisco Rodrigu     7 Ind. Games
 David Riske           7 Ind. Games
 Todd Jones            7 Ind. Games
 Keith Foulke          7 Ind. Games
 Jesus Colome          7 Ind. Games
 Armando Benitez       7 Ind. Games

Again don't read too much into this. After all, some guys blow a lot of saves before they event get to complete more than 1 inning.

3 Responses to “Labor Day part 2”

  1. Johnny Twisto Says:

    "Rivera being so high on the list is a testament, I think, to the comparative weakness of the Yankees bullpen in recent seasons with that from their most recent hayday of 1996-2000"

    I don't think it shows this at all. From '97 to '02, Rivera had 56 such saves, also leading the majors. Since he became closer, his # of >1 IP saves each year are: 9, 9, 8, 13, 13, 4, 10, 4, 7, 7, 10. I don't see much trend, though perhaps you could argue his numbers should have dropped more to be in line with general pitcher usage (there were twice as many such saves in all of baseball in '98 as there will be this season).

  2. Andy Says:

    Johnny, you make a great point. My thinking was this...Rivera's career as a closer can be broken down into two halves, in my opinion: pre-2001 and post-2001. In 2001 itself, Rivera pitched the most innings he has as a closer (80.2) and had 13 saves of more than one inning. That post-season, some said he was worn down, and while he generally pitched pretty effectively, he did blow Game 7 of the World Series, as Torre attempted to have him pitch the last 2 innings of the game. (Granted, it's not as if Arizona mashed against him...the hits in the ninth inning were pretty weakly hit.)
    But post-2001, Torre adopted a new philosophy that he would not wear down Rivera by using him for more than 1 inning. Hence, he dropped from 13 >1 inning saves in 2001 to just 4 in 2002, as you pointed out. Since 2003, Rivera has had minor arm troubles toward the end of each season, and has on occasion been used sparingly for a few weeks or in some seasons has actually been shut down at times. He blew two saves early in August and was used sparingly for a while, for example. Nevertheless, Torre has gone ahead and started using him consistently again for >1 IP saves, and Rivera's now topped 10 such saves twice in the last few seasons, even though he has been wearing down.
    To do this analysis right would require more data. I'd like to know how many times Rivera has pitched in the 8th inning, and how many of those saves he has blown (since actual Saves only tells half the story and doesn't indicate his total number of such appearances.)

  3. Andy Says:

    OK, I went back and gathered some numbers. I used the PI Event Finder for Rivera to find all games since 1997 where he has registered at least one batter faced in the 8th inning.
    Here are the data:
    Year G Saves BS non-save
    2007 13 10 1 2
    2006 12 7 0 5
    2005 8 7 0 1
    2004 6 4 1 1
    2003 11 10 1 0
    2002 11 4 3 4
    2001 18 13 5 0
    2000 16 13 3 0
    1999 10 8 2 0
    1998 13 9 4 0
    1997 11 9 1 1
    So for each year, that's the total number of games entering in the 8th inning, followed by number of saves, then number of blown saves, and finally the number of times it was a non-save situation.
    (Incidentally, since 1997 Rivera has entered in the 7th inning 5 times and these are not considered above.)
    The thing that jumps right out at me is that from 1997 to 2001, Rivera was used in the 8th inning in a non-save situation just once. From 2002 to present, he's been used that way 13 times. That alone doesn't mean much--if Torre feels his team has a better chance of winning by using Rivera that way, then fine. (There is certainly much to be said for using your closer at the most important time rather than waiting for a lead by default.)
    I also notice that since 2003, Rivera has blown only 3 out of 38 save opportunities (8%) whereas in 1997-2002 he blew 18 out of 56 (32%)