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“The Core Four”

Posted by Raphy on November 8, 2009

One of the themes in the media during last week's World Series was the  "core four" , the four players who linked the Yankees championships of the '90s to this year's team. Several of those players moved up the charts for playing time in the World Series and I thought it might be interesting to see whom they passed and who is still in the lead.

Derek Jeter is the only player to have  the opportunity to play in every Yankees World Series game since 1996. In fact, with his six World Series games this year, Jeter has now become the all-time leader in World Series games played since divisional play started in 1969. Here are the leaders:

                   Games Link to Individual Games
+-----------------+-----+-------------------------+
 Derek Jeter          38 Ind. Games
 David Justice        36 Ind. Games
 Pete Rose            34 Ind. Games
 Bernie Williams      32 Ind. Games
 Lonnie Smith         32 Ind. Games
 Jorge Posada         29 Ind. Games
 Steve Garvey         28 Ind. Games
 Tony Perez           27 Ind. Games
 Terry Pendleton      27 Ind. Games
 Paul O'Neill         27 Ind. Games
 Reggie Jackson       27 Ind. Games

Overall, Jeter is tied for 16th, behind a leader that surprises no one.

 Yogi Berra           75 Ind. Games
 Mickey Mantle        65 Ind. Games
 Elston Howard        54 Ind. Games
 Gil McDougald        53 Ind. Games
 Hank Bauer           53 Ind. Games
 Phil Rizzuto         52 Ind. Games
 Joe DiMaggio         51 Ind. Games
 Frankie Frisch       50 Ind. Games
 Pee Wee Reese        44 Ind. Games
 Babe Ruth            41 Ind. Games
 Roger Maris          41 Ind. Games
 Carl Furillo         40 Ind. Games
 Bill Skowron         39 Ind. Games
 Gil Hodges           39 Ind. Games
 Jim Gilliam          39 Ind. Games
 Jackie Robinson      38 Ind. Games
 Derek Jeter          38 Ind. Games
 Bill Dickey          38 Ind. Games

Jeter's teams have been very successful in the World Series, winning 5 out of 7 series and "pushing" the other 2 to six and 7 games. Therefore, it is no surprise, when we look at the list of players who have played in the most World Series games in which their team won, Jeter moves up the chart:

                   Games Link to Individual Games
+-----------------+-----+-------------------------+
 Yogi Berra           43 Ind. Games
 Joe DiMaggio         37 Ind. Games
 Phil Rizzuto         32 Ind. Games
 Hank Bauer           32 Ind. Games
 Mickey Mantle        31 Ind. Games
 Bill Dickey          29 Ind. Games
 Gil McDougald        28 Ind. Games
 Lou Gehrig           27 Ind. Games
 Babe Ruth            26 Ind. Games
 Elston Howard        26 Ind. Games
 Derek Jeter          25 Ind. Games

Mariano Rivera has also been climbing the charts, taking  over the lead in World Series games pitched. I wasn't surprised by the pitcher he passed for the lead, but the one with whom had been tied for second place.

                   Games Link to Individual Games
+-----------------+-----+-------------------------+
 Mariano Rivera       24 Ind. Games
 Whitey Ford          22 Ind. Games
 Mike Stanton         20 Ind. Games
 Jeff Nelson          16 Ind. Games
 Rollie Fingers       16 Ind. Games
 Bob Turley           15 Ind. Games
 Allie Reynolds       15 Ind. Games
 Clay Carroll         14 Ind. Games
 Mark Wohlers         13 Ind. Games
 Andy Pettitte        13 Ind. Games
 Clem Labine          13 Ind. Games        

Andy Pettitte won both of  starts of this year's World Series. His 13 career World Series starts are now second overall:

                   Games Link to Individual Games
+-----------------+-----+-------------------------+
 Whitey Ford          22 Ind. Games
 Andy Pettitte        13 Ind. Games
 Christy Mathewson    11 Ind. Games
 Waite Hoyt           11 Ind. Games
 Red Ruffing          10 Ind. Games
 Chief Bender         10 Ind. Games
 

His 5 wins  tie him for 7th:

+-----------------+-----+-------------------------+
 Whitey Ford          10 Ind. Games
 Red Ruffing           7 Ind. Games
 Bob Gibson            7 Ind. Games
 Waite Hoyt            6 Ind. Games
 Lefty Gomez           6 Ind. Games
 Chief Bender          6 Ind. Games
 Allie Reynolds        5 Ind. Games
 Vic Raschi            5 Ind. Games
 Andy Pettitte         5 Ind. Games
 Herb Pennock          5 Ind. Games
 Christy Mathewson     5 Ind. Games
 Jack Coombs           5 Ind. Games

Jorge Posada has caught 29 World Series games, good for 7th all-time.  However,  if he can get into just 1 more series, he could push himself up to number 3.

                   Games Link to Individual Games
+-----------------+-----+-------------------------+
 Yogi Berra           63 Ind. Games
 Bill Dickey          38 Ind. Games
 Elston Howard        33 Ind. Games
 Wally Schang         32 Ind. Games
 Roy Campanella       32 Ind. Games
 Mickey Cochrane      31 Ind. Games
 Jorge Posada         29 Ind. Games
 Johnny Bench         23 Ind. Games
 Steve Yeager         21 Ind. Games
 Johnny Roseboro      21 Ind. Games
 Tim McCarver         21 Ind. Games

12 Responses to ““The Core Four””

  1. Andy Says:

    Love or hate the Yankees, the achievement of having 4 home-grown players around for World Series wins that were 14 years apart is incredible. If any other team has ever done it, it certainly must be from before the age of free agency. That Pettitte left and came back taints it a bit, but nevertheless it's an amazing feat.

    I've often chortled a bit over the last 20 years to hear Steinbrenner talk about "the Yankee way" since team-player loyalty is at an all-time low, but he gets the last laugh, having owned a team that made it to 7 World Series in 15 season built with many home-grown players.

  2. gerry Says:

    So the Yankees only won 31 of the 65 World Series games in which Mickey Mantle played? That's surprising.

  3. Andy Says:

    Players appearing in the 2009 World Series for the Yankees that were originally drafted by them (or signed as free agents with the Yankeeas as their first MLB-affiliated organization, e.g. minor-league free agent like Melky Cabrera)

    Melky Cabrera
    Robinson Cano
    Joba Chamberlain
    Phil Coke
    Brett Gardner
    Phil Hughes
    Derek Jeter
    Hideki Matsui
    Andy Pettitte
    Jorge Posada
    Mariano Rivera
    David Robertson

    So out of 23 players, that's 12, or just over half. Admittedly, Matsui and Pettitte are both cheats since Matsui was an established star playing at a high level and was not discovered or developed by the Yankees, and Pettitte left as a free agent before coming back.

    I wonder how many past World Series champs have developed at least half of the players appearing in the Series?

  4. JohnnyTwisto Says:

    Ramiro Pena made the team after Cabrera was removed (but did not play). Alfredo Aceves was signed out of the Mexican League; B-R shows he was originally signed by Toronto in 2001, but shows no record of him ever playing in their system. Not sure what the circumstances were there but I think he could count as well.

  5. Raphy Says:

    According to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Aceves
    Aceves was signed by the Toronto Blue Jays as an amateur free agent in 2001. He made ten starts in the Dominican Summer League that year. However, Aceves felt isolated, and when the Blue Jays assigned him to stay in the DSL for 2002, Aceves stayed in Mexico, and his contract was purchased by the Yucatán Leones of the Mexican League.[2] Aceves pitched for Yucatán and Sultanes de Monterrey for the next six seasons.

    Yankees scout Lee Sigman followed Aceves in the Mexican League, feeling he could achieve similar success as Teddy Higuera, who Sigman had signed for the Milwaukee Brewers.[2] Feeling that he had developed well in the Mexican League, the Yankees purchased Aceves, along with other players, for $450,000 during the 2007-08 offseason.[2] He began 2008 with the Single-A Advanced Tampa Yankees. He was quickly promoted to the Double-A Trenton Thunder and Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees. He was named Eastern League pitcher of the week for the week ending May 25, 2008.[3]

  6. Raphy Says:

    Gerry - I agree it is surprising. However, the Yankees only won 7 of the 12 series Mantle played in and a lot of those were seven game series. During those years, the Yankees were also 8-3 in World Series games in which Mantle did not play.

    1951: Yankees 4-2 Mantle 1-1
    1952: Yankees 4-3 Mantle 4-3
    1953: Yankees 4-2 Mantle 4-2
    1954: none
    1955: Yankees 3-4 Mantle 0-3
    1956: Yankees 4-3 Mantle 4-3
    1957: Yankees 3-4 Mantle 2-4
    1958: Yankees 4-3 Mantle 4-3
    1959: none
    1960: Yankees 3-4 Mantle 3-4
    1961: Yankees 4-1 Mantle 2-0
    1962: Yankees 4-3 Mantle 4-3
    1963: Yankees 0-4 Mantle 0-4
    1964: Yankees 3-4 Mantle 3-4

  7. DoubleDiamond Says:

    Reggie Jackson missed the 7-game 1972 World Series due to injury. If he had played in all 7 games, he would have been tied at 34 with Pete Rose for 3rd on that first list up there. Now, if his presence had caused Oakland to win at least one of the games it lost, thus causing that Series to go fewer than 7 games, he'd still be tied with Rose, because that would have been that many fewer World Series games for him, too! (The games that Oakland lost were games 3, 5, and 6. Games 3 and 5 were one-run losses, while Game 6 was the only game won by either team that year that was not a one-run game. Like 1960, this was a 7-game World Series in which the losing team out-scored the winning team. So, Reggie would have more likely made a difference in game 3 or game 5. Therefore, there would not only have not been a game 7, there would also not have been a game 6. So, Reggie would have had 32 World Series games, and Rose would have also only had 32 such games. This would have tied both of them with Bernie Williams and Lonnie Smith.)

    Don't forget that one of Andy Pettitte's World Series starts was with Houston in 2005, getting a no-decision in his only start, one of the four losses in the sweep by the White Sox. He left in a situation to be the winner, a lead after six innings. The lead changed hands a few times after he left, with the winning run surrendered, not in a save situation because the game was tied, by someone else who did the same thing in a 2009 World Series game.

  8. DavidRF Says:

    The Yankees best run of WS Success was 1927-53 where they went 15-1. Before Murder's Row, Ruth had gone 1-3 with the Yankees (though he was 3-0 with the Sox). After the five-peat, the Mantle-era Yankees went 4-5. The Nettles-Randolph group went 2-2 and the Jeter-Rivera group is now 5-2.

    Ruth 4-3 (7-3 total)
    Gehrig 6-1
    Dickey 7-1
    Gomez 5-0
    Ruffing 6-1
    DiMaggio 9-1
    Rizzuto 7-2
    Berra 10-4
    Reynolds/Raschi 6-0 (Lopat 5-0)
    Ford 6-5
    Mantle 7-5
    Howard 4-5 (4-6 total)
    Richardson 3-5
    Terry 2-3
    Tresh 1-2
    Bouton 0-2
    Nettles/Randolph 2-2 (both 2-3 total)
    ReJackson 2-1 (4-1 total)
    Hunter 2-1 (5-1 total)
    Cone 4-0 (5-0 total)
    O'Neill 4-1 (5-1 total)
    BeWilliams 4-2
    Jeter/Pettite/Rivera 5-2
    Posada 4-2

    ... not sure if I have a point, but I looked all that up so I might as well post it. 🙂

  9. DavidRF Says:

    Mike Mussina's career with the Yankees ended up directly coinciding with the championship drought. 123-72 record. 12th most winningest Yankee pitcher ever. Only Stottlemyre and Chesbro have more without winning a WS.

    Jason Giambi's the batter whose career most fills the drought (he only missed 2001). His 209 HR's is 12th on the Yankee list. #11 is Mattingly who also has no championship (no pennants either) while the top 10 all have championships.

  10. gerry Says:

    Thanks, Raphy, for posting all that Mantle stuff. 1955 - Mantle almost at his peak - the Yankees go 0-3 with him, 3-1 without - hard to believe. One more proof, if any were needed, that strange things can happen in short series.

  11. tmckelv Says:

    Obviously the Yankees have appeared in numerous World Series, and as ridiculous as it sounds, you can actually make a case that they SHOULD have been in a few more (not even including the ALCS loss the Red Sox in 2004).

    If you look at the timeframe from 1929 to 1935 (7 seasons), The Yanks were in only 1 World Series (1932). Look at the list of players that were on those 1929-35 teams:
    C - Bill Dickey (1929-35) HOF
    1B - Lou Gehrig (1929-35) HOF
    2B - Tony Lazzeri (1929-35) HOF
    SS - Frankie Crosetti (1932-35)
    3B - Joe Sewell (1931-33)/Red Rolfe (1935)
    LF - Bob Meusel (1929)/Ben Chapman (also 3B/CF 1930-35)/George Selkirk (also RF 1934-1935)
    CF - Earl Combs (1929-33) HOF
    RF - Babe Ruth (1929-34) HOF
    P - Red Ruffing (1930-35) HOF
    P - Lefty Gomez (1931-35) HOF
    P - Herb Pennock (1929-31) HOF
    P - George Pipgras (1929-31)
    P - Johnny Allen (1932-35)
    P - Waite Hoyt (1929) HOF

    There are A LOT of great names on that list (HOF, All-Stars, guys that played in other WS). Those Yankee teams probably should have won some more Pennants.

    Maybe you can understand 1929-31 a little bit because the pitching may not have been 100% there and the great 1929-31 Philadelphia Athletics were one of the all-time teams (although the yanks still could have gotten at least 1 during those seasons). But there isn't much of an excuse for the years 1933 to 1935. They should have been able to beat out the Senators/Tigers those years.

    Thanks for reading,

    Tom

  12. DavidRF Says:

    Tmckelv, the A's did indeed have great teams from 29-31 and I think you underestimate the 34-35 Tigers as well, who match up pretty favorably against the 34-35 Yankees on paper.

    Could the Yankees have won a pennant or two in there? Sure. But in my opinion the amazing thing about the 20s-60s era Yankees is that they won as many pennants as they did. Stringing together four-peats and five-peats means you can't have an off year (like 1940 or 1959) and another team can't catch lightning in a bottle (like 33-WAS or 54-CLE).