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Most decisions in 30-35 game starts

Posted by Andy on March 11, 2009

Following on from yesterday, here is a list of the most decisions in a season with 30 to 35 game starts. I had to limit it to a more recent era (I chose 1970-present) since CGs and total number of game starts were so much higher in earlier days of baseball.

  Cnt Player            **Dec**  GS Year Age Tm  Lg  G  CG SHO GF  W  L  W-L% SV   IP   H   R   ER  BB  SO   ERA  ERA+ HR  BF   AB  2B 3B IBB HBP  SH  SF GDP  SB CS Pk BK WP   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  OPS+  Pit  Str
+----+-----------------+-------+---+----+---+---+--+---+--+---+--+--+--+-----+--+-----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+--+----+----+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+
    1 La Marr Hoyt         34    32 1982  27 CHW AL  39 14   2  2 19 15  .559  0 239.2 248 104  94  48 124   3.53  114 17  995  932 51  8   3   2   6   7  22  24  9  1  0  4  .266  .301  .393  .694   89           
    2 Bob Welch            33    35 1990  33 OAK AL  35  2   2  0 27  6  .818  0 238   214  90  78  77 127   2.95  126 26  979  886 42  6   4   5   6   5  25  10  7  0  2  2  .242  .304  .391  .695   96           
    3 Frank Tanana         33    35 1974  20 CAL AL  39 12   4  2 14 19  .424  0 268.2 262 104  93  77 180   3.12  109 27 1127 1028 41  3   4   8  10   4  25  15 13  3  2  4  .255  .311  .379  .690  103           
    4 Luis Tiant           33    35 1973  32 BOS AL  35 23   0  0 20 13  .606  0 272   217 105 101  78 206   3.34  121 32 1096  991 45  4   3   7  11   9  13  13  8  3  0  2  .219  .278  .369  .647   76           
    5 Tom Seaver           33    35 1972  27 NYM NL  35 13   3  0 21 12  .636  0 262   215  92  85  77 249   2.92  115 23 1060  960 33  6   2   5  13   5  12  10 15  0  0  8  .224  .284  .343  .627   85           
    6 Roy Oswalt           32    35 2005  27 HOU NL  35  4   1  0 20 12  .625  0 241.2 243  85  79  48 184   2.94  144 18 1002  927 48  8   3   8  12   7  22   3  4  1  1  5  .262  .302  .389  .691   84 3600 2436 
    7 Dontrelle Willis     32    34 2005  23 FLA NL  34  7   5  0 22 10  .688  0 236.1 213  79  69  55 170   2.63  151 11  960  878 45  9   3   8  14   5  23   1  5  1  1  2  .243  .292  .352  .644   77 3552 2313 
    8 John Smoltz          32    35 1996  29 ATL NL  35  6   2  0 24  8  .750  0 253.2 199  93  83  55 276   2.94  149 19  995  922 45  2   3   2  12   4  13  10 13  1  1 10  .216  .260  .331  .591   55           
    9 Jack McDowell        32    34 1993  27 CHW AL  34 10   4  0 22 10  .688  0 256.2 261 104  96  69 158   3.37  125 20 1067  981 43  4   6   3   8   6  19  10 15  6  1  8  .266  .314  .379  .693   87           
   10 Kevin Brown          32    35 1992  27 TEX AL  35 11   1  0 21 11  .656  0 265.2 262 117  98  76 173   3.32  115 11 1108 1007 40  1   2  10   7   8  29   7 12  2  2  8  .260  .316  .335  .651   85           
   11 Frank Viola          32    35 1990  30 NYM NL  35  7   3  0 20 12  .625  0 249.2 227  83  74  60 182   2.67  141 15 1016  938 36  2   2   2  13   3  17  25 15  1  0 11  .242  .288  .333  .621   75           
   12 Greg Swindell        32    33 1988  23 CLE AL  33 12   4  0 18 14  .563  0 242   234  97  86  45 180   3.20  128 18  988  928 35  7   3   1   9   5  12  14  8  2  0  5  .252  .286  .363  .649   79           
   13 Orel Hershiser       32    35 1987  28 LAD NL  37 10   1  2 16 16  .500  1 264.2 247 105  90  74 190   3.06  131 17 1093 1000 40  7   5   9   8   2  30  12  9  1  2 11  .247  .304  .352  .656   81           
   14 Mark Langston        32    35 1987  26 SEA AL  35 14   3  0 19 13  .594  0 272   242 132 116 114 262   3.84  124 30 1152 1015 45  6   0   5  12   6  20  26 11  5  2  9  .238  .317  .383  .700   80           
   15 Fernando Valenzue    32    34 1986  25 LAD NL  34 20   3  0 21 11  .656  0 269.1 226 104  94  85 242   3.14  110 18 1102  998 40  2   5   1  15   3  16  15 11  1  0 13  .226  .287  .325  .612   79           
   16 Geoff Zahn           32    35 1980  34 MIN AL  38 13   5  0 14 18  .438  0 232.2 273 138 114  66  96   4.41   99 17  993  903 45  6   3   2  11  11  37   9 10  2  1  3  .302  .347  .422  .769  103           
   17 Paul Splittorff      32    35 1979  32 KCR AL  36 11   0  0 15 17  .469  0 240   248 137 113  77  77   4.24  101 25 1026  924 39  9   1   5   9  11  23  21  4  1  0  1  .268  .324  .411  .735   95           
   18 Jim Colborn          32    35 1977  31 KCR AL  36  6   1  0 18 14  .563  0 239   233 106  96  81 103   3.62  113 22 1023  914 47  3   2  13  10   3  21  12  5  1  3  8  .255  .323  .385  .708   90           
   19 Luis Tiant           32    35 1975  34 BOS AL  35 18   2  0 18 14  .563  0 260   262 126 116  72 142   4.02  103 25 1080  992 51 10   0   4   7   5  20  19 11  5  0  2  .264  .315  .411  .726   96           
   20 Fritz Peterson       32    35 1972  30 NYY AL  35 12   3  0 17 15  .531  0 250.1 270  98  90  44 100   3.24   91 17 1042  980 41  8   5   5  10   3  33   3  3  0  1  7  .276  .309  .386  .695  115           
   21 Rick Wise            32    35 1972  26 STL NL  35 20   2  0 16 16  .500  0 269   250  98  93  71 142   3.11  110 16 1089  998 48 11  13   1  13   6  26  16 11  0  0  4  .251  .299  .369  .668   96           
   22 Denny McLain         32    32 1971  27 WSA AL  33  9   3  1 10 22  .313  0 216.2 233 115 103  72 103   4.28   77 31  931  828 37  4   8   3  16  12  22  15  9  0  1  4  .281  .337  .448  .785  133           
   23 Pat Jarvis           32    34 1970  29 ATL NL  36 11   1  1 16 16  .500  0 254   240 110 102  72 173   3.61  119 21 1062  973 41  7   5   0   9   8  16  18  3  0  2  5  .247  .296  .368  .664   79           
   24 Jim Merritt          32    35 1970  26 CIN NL  35 12   1  0 20 12  .625  0 234   248 114 106  53 136   4.08  102 21  984  917 64 10  12   1  10   3  17   4  7  4  0  4  .270  .310  .431  .741  100           

Not all these decisions came as starters, as is immediately obvious with #1 La Marr Hoyt, who ended up with more decisions than he did game starts. It comes as no surprise that most of the guys on this list were very good or excellent pitchers. In most cases here, the pitchers racked up a lot of wins, plus some close losses, and got lots of decisions. They made lots of starts because they were good. Of the 24 seasons on here, we have 11 seasons with 20 wins, and 16 with at least 18 wins.

But check out the weighted ERA+ for this group. It's 117.6, as compared to 108.6 for the group we saw yesterday (fewest decisions with at least 30 starts.)

What does this all mean? It's tough to draw really detailed, meaningful conclusions from what is pretty circumstantial data. However, in general, you have to be a pretty good pitcher to make at least 30 starts, and within that group, the better pitchers have at least a small tendency to register more decisions. Earthshattering? No.

13 Responses to “Most decisions in 30-35 game starts”

  1. JDV Says:

    Interesting stuff. I can determine that Greg Swindell had only one no-decision start for the Indians in '88. It's possible that both La Marr Hoyt and Denny McClain had zero no-decision starts in '82 and '71 respectively, but they may have had one (McClain) or more (Hoyt). If both had at least one, what is the greatest number of starts in a season with zero no-decisions during the era you researched? (It would then obviously have to be 29 or fewer, but it's still quite a feat.)

  2. Andy Says:

    Unfortunately we can't search for no decisions at the season level, meaning that this type of search requires a manual study.

  3. ZimJim Says:

    Why did you limit it to only 35 starts? Steve Carlton went 27-10 in 1972 for a whopping 37 decisions

  4. Raphy Says:

    Since 1956 the most starts in a season with a decision in them all is 40 by Gaylord Perry in 1972 (He also had a save in his only relief appearance.) There doesn't appear to be anyone close.

    Here are the longest streaks of starts with a decision to start a season since 1956. Most of them ended well before the season did.
    http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/rt7K

  5. mrbaseballcard Says:

    I recognize you limited the list to 30-35 GS out of necessaity but I remembered Phil Niekro who went something like 21 - 20 in 44 starts in 1979. Also, I remember similar years by Wilbur Wood.

    I think the key to this group, compared to yesterday's group, is again the number of IP. Yesterday's group was a bit better than average but had just 1 pitcher w more than 200 IP and this group has only 1 w less than 200 IP, generally far more. Of course, being significantly better than avg would make a mgr leave pitchers in this group in more than the 6 innings that yeterday's group, on avg, was left in.

  6. JDV Says:

    I appreciate Raphy's response. I had just figured out that neither Hoyt nor McClain was the answer. In '82, Hoyt was 3-0 (all in relief) before he was inserted into the starting rotation, so therefore had at least one no-decision start during that season. In '71, McClain had a no-decision on July 5 after coming out (reason unknown) in the 3d inning of a 15-6 win.

  7. tomepp Says:

    This further supports the idea that being a workhorse - as well as a good pitcher - is a key characteristic. All of the seasons on this list averaged at least 6.5 innings per start (after removing the 50 1/3 IP in 21 relief appearances), whereas only one of the 16 pitchers on yesterday's list managed that. Two thirds of today's list averaged at least 7 IP/GS (a feat no one on yesterday's list managed). In fact, 20 of the 24 on today's list averaged more innings per start than ALL of the 16 on yesterday's list. In that 1986 season, the Pudgy Mexican fell just 2 2/3 innings short of averaging 8 innings per start. When you're leavig your bullpen only one inning to blow a lead or to come back from a deficit, you're going to get most of the decisions yourself.

  8. Raphy Says:

    If anyone is interested:
    From 2004-2008 Starting Pitchers only:

    IP: Number of Starts, Numbers of Decisions, %
    Less than 5: 4350 Starts, 2826 Decisions, 65%
    5-5.75: 5246,3517, 67%
    6-6.75: 7135,4844, 68%
    7-7.75: 5291,3931, 74%
    8-8.75: 1657,1343, 81%
    9+: 615, 579, 94%

  9. Raphy Says:

    Here is the breakdown of those 6-6.75 inning starts by runs allowed:

    RA:Starts,Decisions,%
    0:475,362,76%
    1:1043,686,66%
    2:1508,946,63%
    3:1591,1017,64%
    4:1244,837,67%
    5:781,579,74%
    6:334,276,83%
    7+:159,141,89%

  10. gerry Says:

    That Denny McLain season stands out like a sore thumb, doesn't it? 10-22, when no one else was worse than 14-19; ERA+ of 77 when no one else was worse than 91. Senators must have been desperate for pitching.

  11. leatherman Says:

    A quick look at the league leaders in games started (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/GS_leagues.shtml) shows that the most starts anyone has had from 1980-2008 is 40. So, I reset the criteria for games started between 30 and 40 (from 1980-2008), and sorted by decisions:

    http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/aDNc

    The first two seasons really stand out: With only 36 starts, both Joaquin Andujar (20-14) and Lamarr Hoyt (24-10) tallied 34 decisions. Neither appeared in any games in which they did not start.

  12. tomepp Says:

    Not to belabor the point, but looking at leatherman's list, of the 115 pitchers with 30+ decisions since 1980 (again, I've removed relief IP):

    Only 2 (1.7%) averaged less than 6 innings per start
    13 (11%) averaged less than 6 1/3 IP/GS, i.e. 102 (89%) averaged at least 6 1/3 IP/GS
    48 (42%) averaged less than 7 IP/GS, so more than half averaged 7+ IP/GS
    26 (23%) averaged at least 7.5 IP/GS
    5 (4.3%) averaged at least 8 IP/GS

    And Rick Langford in 1980 managed an anachronistic 8.72 IP/GS - he fall just 9 1/3 innings short of averaging a "perfect" 9 IP/GS! Of course, 28 CG in 33 GS will tend to do that. (He also pitched 2 1/3 innings in 2 relief apparances, but these were discounted).

    Of the pitchers with at least 30 decisions, there were 6 with at least 20 CG, all berween 1980 and 1986. All of those guys averaged at least 7.90 IP/GS; and were in the top 8 in IP/GS (not surprisingly). The 2 pitchers who rounded out the top 8 in IP/GS (actually, at #4 and #5), were Mario Soto and Steve Carlton, who had 18 and 13 CG respectively. Even in their non-complete games, they must have gone very deep into the ball games, as they each averaged at least 8 IP/GS. It seems pretty amazing that Lefty had almost twice as many non-CG as CG, (13 CG, 25 non-CG) yet still managed to average 8 IP/GS.

    That got me looking into his game log for that season. He went at least 6 innings in all 38 starts, at least 7 IP in 34 of them (89%), and at least 8 IP in 25 starts (66%). He went at leat 9 innings in 14 starts (37%), including a 10-inning complete game. He also pitched 9 innings in one start in which he did not get a CG (he still got the win - Keith Moreland, pinch hitting for Lefty, drove in the winning a run in the top of the 10th to beat St. Louis 3-2, and Tug McGraw pitched the bottom of the 10th to get the save). Incidentally, 3 of the 4 games that he did not go at least 7 innings were in the first third of the season, and none were in August or September. In fact, he went at least 8 innings in 11 of 14 (79%) starts down the stretch (Aug. and Sept.), averaging 8.44 IP/GS in those months. And this was the season that the Phils won the NL East over the Expos by *one game*, then went on to win the World Series. Now that's what I call a workhorse!

  13. JohnnyTwisto Says:

    That's also the last time anyone pitched 300 IP in a season.